Comments on: Dalai Lama’s ‘Middle Way’ has failed http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/ Jamyang Norbu's blog Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:10:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: beri Palden Namgyal http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-2057 beri Palden Namgyal Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:56:55 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-2057 respected gen Jamyang Lak we are deeply touched by your words and proud of you. here some of Loseling monks are editing a Tibetan Magazine called the sun light of snow land and we just want to have a interview with you about Middle way approach and independence.so, kindly make a time for us. but, we do not have your contact number and everything. here is my email id beripalden007@yahoo.com and please kindly make a date for us and send your contact through above id. yours sincerly Beri palden Namgyal member of Loseling Educational Fund respected gen Jamyang Lak

we are deeply touched by your words and proud of you. here some of Loseling monks are editing a Tibetan Magazine called the sun light of snow land and we just want to have a interview with you about Middle way approach and independence.so, kindly make a time for us. but, we do not have your contact number and everything. here is my email id beripalden007@yahoo.com and please kindly make a date for us and send your contact through above id.
yours sincerly
Beri palden Namgyal
member of Loseling Educational Fund

]]> By: karma http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-1139 karma Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:08:10 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-1139 Alright, you still seems to stand not with or behind but beside or outside TGIE and Tibetans resulting you are still illinformed about HER activities in details. SHE has to look after every one not just a section. TGIE provides leadership all around not for particular section of a society. Every TGIE officers concerning education starts with KG classes, and likewise in health & development and other sectors. SFT's work, though should not like undermine them, is minuscule in comparison with. TGIE is nothing but composition of people like you and me. You should join in -we can't effort to waste valauble energy just becoming a critique. We have agreed to a certain extend. That's good but how can we help people like Jamyang N. Thanks -I shall now take leave now onwards -bye bye. Alright, you still seems to stand not with or behind but beside or outside TGIE and Tibetans resulting you are still illinformed about HER activities in details. SHE has to look after every one not just a section. TGIE provides leadership all around not for particular section of a society. Every TGIE officers concerning education starts with KG classes, and likewise in health & development and other sectors. SFT’s work, though should not like undermine them, is minuscule in comparison with. TGIE is nothing but composition of people like you and me. You should join in -we can’t effort to waste valauble energy just becoming a critique.

We have agreed to a certain extend. That’s good but how can we help people like Jamyang N. Thanks -I shall now take leave now onwards -bye bye.

]]> By: kyizom http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-1123 kyizom Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:37:40 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-1123 Karma, I didn't say TGIE has no political strategy (please read my comment again). I personally feel that HHDL "Genuine Autonomy" is a realistic strategy. What I meant was exactly what you have mentioned in your last sentence. TGIE gives youth leadership training each year, (How productive is it?),(Can you produce young leaders from such leadership training) whereas I am inspired by how SFT gives leadership training, they produce leaders out of ordinary. TGIE therefor need strategy of political education for Tibetan People in a constructive way of achieving something rather than covering an event. I didn't mean to criticize and understand the difficulties but TGIE can do better and make difference with its examples. People need to be heard and I hope people's thoughts and need be heard by the concerns. You mentioned that "there is no such issue that it needs to be discuss with particular section of society:, if that is the case then at least make people aware that they can remain ignorant "ignorant is bliss". I hope the time may ripe soon that the issues are discuss and debated in the society. We need public forum, people to voice their thoughts. Referendum is easy to declare but people need to know the society in order to participate actively in decision making. There is no right or wrong Time and NOW is the time and time to involve people. Karma,
I didn’t say TGIE has no political strategy (please read my comment again). I personally feel that HHDL “Genuine Autonomy” is a realistic strategy. What I meant was exactly what you have mentioned in your last sentence. TGIE gives youth leadership training each year, (How productive is it?),(Can you produce young leaders from such leadership training) whereas I am inspired by how SFT gives leadership training, they produce leaders out of ordinary. TGIE therefor need strategy of political education for Tibetan People in a constructive way of achieving something rather than covering an event.

I didn’t mean to criticize and understand the difficulties but TGIE can do better and make difference with its examples.

People need to be heard and I hope people’s thoughts and need be heard by the concerns. You mentioned that “there is no such issue that it needs to be discuss with particular section of society:, if that is the case then at least make people aware that they can remain ignorant “ignorant is bliss”.

I hope the time may ripe soon that the issues are discuss and debated in the society. We need public forum, people to voice their thoughts.

Referendum is easy to declare but people need to know the society in order to participate actively in decision making. There is no right or wrong Time and NOW is the time and time to involve people.

]]> By: karma http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-1119 karma Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:44:38 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-1119 KYZOM Our conversation are now focussing. I do not agree that TGIE has no strategy. Each of its department used to develop strategies for all its activities. China-Tibet talks has been, as far as I get to know, it is very well strategised. I happened to be in one of public briefings by S Rinpoche on six rounds of talks. Yes you may be right - that it has not so far involved youths directly. It works under a charter provision where it takes ATPD into confidence. In fact so far there no such issues that it needs to discuss with particular section of the society. It will, when it comes -even referendum. You shoudl never forget that TGIE engages at least hundred youths each year during their annual leadership and orientation programmes. KYZOM
Our conversation are now focussing. I do not agree that TGIE has no strategy. Each of its department used to develop strategies for all its activities. China-Tibet talks has been, as far as I get to know, it is very well strategised. I happened to be in one of public briefings by S Rinpoche on six rounds of talks. Yes you may be right - that it has not so far involved youths directly. It works under a charter provision where it takes ATPD into confidence. In fact so far there no such issues that it needs to discuss with particular section of the society. It will, when it comes -even referendum. You shoudl never forget that TGIE engages at least hundred youths each year during their annual leadership and orientation programmes.

]]> By: karma http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-1118 karma Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:32:07 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-1118 I can very easily shut up but will never get lost as long as people like you ceased to exist. You have easily forgotten what kind of maliciuos writtings you have posted before. I does pinch you. If you were Tibetan I will try to convince you because we can't just sometimes get away from a victim mentality. If you are Inji you are dliberate and I must treat you as good as and as bad as Red Chinese. I can very easily shut up but will never get lost as long as people like you ceased to exist. You have easily forgotten what kind of maliciuos writtings you have posted before. I does pinch you. If you were Tibetan I will try to convince you because we can’t just sometimes get away from a victim mentality. If you are Inji you are dliberate and I must treat you as good as and as bad as Red Chinese.

]]> By: Rich http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-1103 Rich Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:45:05 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-1103 Karma, quit the standard personal attacks. It's unbecoming. I don't think most of your accusations even merit rebuttals since they're not backed by any evidence to begin with, so I'll just leave you with a nice "shut up and get lost". Karma, quit the standard personal attacks. It’s unbecoming. I don’t think most of your accusations even merit rebuttals since they’re not backed by any evidence to begin with, so I’ll just leave you with a nice “shut up and get lost”.

]]> By: kyizom http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-1102 kyizom Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:24:07 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-1102 karma, I know that we have moral ground and truth. But facts will not speak alone, Facts have to be put into a context and there fore the need of strategy or rather the need of Political goal is very important. HHDL advocates genuine autonomy base on facts and on reality for the benefit of the Tibetan people at large. He has convince the people through his VISION of TIBET.Political vision and goal with commitment from people/leaders to struggle for one issue of Tibet will make a huge difference. The conscious will to commit oneself for struggle with no expectation in return is important and is necessary for a successful nonviolent action. TGIE is doing its level best but TGIE should have a political strategy in educating the Tibetan people with clear, concise and measurable political education. TGIE should be more actively involve in giving opportunities for the YOUNGER GENERATION to participate actively in the political decision making. TGIE and NGO play important role in Tibetan Community and they should work in unison with their differences to struggle for ONE ISSUE: TIBET karma,
I know that we have moral ground and truth. But facts will not speak alone, Facts have to be put into a context and there fore the need of strategy or rather the need of Political goal is very important. HHDL advocates genuine autonomy base on facts and on reality for the benefit of the Tibetan people at large. He has convince the people through his VISION of TIBET.Political vision and goal with commitment from people/leaders to struggle for one issue of Tibet will make a huge difference.

The conscious will to commit oneself for struggle with no expectation in return is important and is necessary for a successful nonviolent action.

TGIE is doing its level best but TGIE should have a political strategy in educating the Tibetan people with clear, concise and measurable political education. TGIE should be more actively involve in giving opportunities for the YOUNGER GENERATION to participate actively in the political decision making. TGIE and NGO play important role in Tibetan Community and they should work in unison with their differences to struggle for ONE ISSUE: TIBET

]]> By: karma http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-1098 karma Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:52:36 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-1098 Those postings condeming TGIE shows how much they think they thinking about Tibetan is worth. I am pointing to NYMA GYALTSEN, TSERING TOGYAL, CHODON, RICH all such people. You look very pitiable because you are all degenerated enough to shun the responsibilities and become so irresponsible to malice the core of our society. I am sure noe of you are now in a responsible position and you have never worked for for the society. I know you all must have been fed well and educated enough to open your mouth so shamelessly against those who have worked day in day out for you. Shame on you. Without HHDL, Tibet and Tibetan won't be like as it is. He has live long committed for the cause. Those who are in TGIE work to realize HHDL and aspiration of Tibetans in variuos capacities at minimum remenuration. If you have to outsource all those works they are doing will cost millions none of us could earn. Those postings condeming TGIE shows how much they think they thinking about Tibetan is worth. I am pointing to NYMA GYALTSEN, TSERING TOGYAL, CHODON, RICH all such people. You look very pitiable because you are all degenerated enough to shun the responsibilities and become so irresponsible to malice the core of our society. I am sure noe of you are now in a responsible position and you have never worked for for the society. I know you all must have been fed well and educated enough to open your mouth so shamelessly against those who have worked day in day out for you. Shame on you. Without HHDL, Tibet and Tibetan won’t be like as it is. He has live long committed for the cause. Those who are in TGIE work to realize HHDL and aspiration of Tibetans in variuos capacities at minimum remenuration. If you have to outsource all those works they are doing will cost millions none of us could earn.

]]> By: bankhar http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-1092 bankhar Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:58:49 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-1092 I like the talks between you and the owner of shadow Tibet. I like the talks between you and the owner of shadow Tibet.

]]> By: karma http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/06/dalai-lamas-middle-way-has-failed/#comment-1091 karma Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:19:06 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=21#comment-1091 KYIZOM My argument stands still strong -there are plenty of books and people which can still make impact on us what we might do -only if we are ready to plunge into it. For that we need moral and united political purpose. We have a moral ground but does not have political goal that is one. Lot of dicussion here on that differences. In this situation, HHDL & TGIE has tried give a politcal solution through MP where I beleive some results have already come out and is getting stronger. KYIZOM
My argument stands still strong -there are plenty of books and people which can still make impact on us what we might do -only if we are ready to plunge into it. For that we need moral and united political purpose. We have a moral ground but does not have political goal that is one. Lot of dicussion here on that differences. In this situation, HHDL & TGIE has tried give a politcal solution through MP where I beleive some results have already come out and is getting stronger.

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