Comments on: NEGOTIATION NIGHTMARE http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/ Jamyang Norbu's blog Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:27:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: John Thompson http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-1592 John Thompson Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:05:14 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-1592 My 31 year old son had the good fortune to be named (before his birth) Jamyang Norbu. This name was given to him in California in 1976. I am a practitioner of Dzogchen and Terma traditions. Not oly are so many Tibetan people being repressed, but all life on earth is being repressed by countless obstacles that keep the Dharma's Dzogchen Teachings from being known to all. The political situation in Tibet, just as conditions in California, are based on the widespread ignorance of the True Nature of Existance. Very few people live their daily lives aware that the entire Quantum Field, as well as our Milky Way Galaxy is Divine Consciousness (Buddha Nature), and that the Five Realms are theatrical dreams where nearly all sentient beings do not realize the all encompassing spirit in each of us. This BLOG is an effort to share the Dzogchen view of why the struggles of the Tibetan people, and most people everywhere, is a result of not knowing who we truely are. We pray the messages of this BLOG reach a much wider and appreciative audience, raising readers' awareness of these crucial views. My 31 year old son had the good fortune to be named (before his birth) Jamyang Norbu. This name was given to him in California in 1976. I am a practitioner of Dzogchen and Terma traditions. Not oly are so many Tibetan people being repressed, but all life on earth is being repressed by countless obstacles that keep the Dharma’s Dzogchen Teachings from being known to all.
The political situation in Tibet, just as conditions in California, are based on the widespread ignorance of the True Nature of Existance. Very few people live their daily lives aware that the entire Quantum Field, as well as our Milky Way Galaxy is Divine Consciousness (Buddha Nature), and that the Five Realms are theatrical dreams where nearly all sentient beings do not realize the all encompassing spirit in each of us.
This BLOG is an effort to share the Dzogchen view of why the struggles of the Tibetan people, and most people everywhere, is a result of not knowing who we truely are. We pray the messages of this BLOG reach a much wider and appreciative audience, raising readers’ awareness of these crucial views.

]]> By: tenzin kalden http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-1409 tenzin kalden Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:57:52 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-1409 Dear jamyangla,i do respect your modern and pramatic way of political thinking regarding gaining your political goal.I also do think we need people who are politically educated like you...tibet has got of schoolars but in politic we are lack of educated people. As jamyangla said we tibetans should bykott the olympic game since our sisters and brother are undergoin an unhuman torturne for speaking freelly about their disire and basic human rite. international chines people will unterstand that with enough and clear information since Olympic game should express the human brotherhood and globalisassion. But i dont think so that that we should demand rangtzen since tibet will gain more in a more free and greater china. independence is not realistic and also not useful. So we shoul do what ever to prove china that kuduen and we tibetans are not seeking independence but a real authomony like in honkonng has or buthan has. To prove that i think h.h.the dalai lama and tibetan exil goverment should be ready to give a letter in writing at present of international wittness. I dont understand why jamyang la always put the boykott of olympic game and fight for a free tibet together.....since thise are really two different things. Dear jamyangla,i do respect your modern and pramatic way of political thinking regarding gaining your political goal.I also do think we need people who are politically educated like you…tibet has got of schoolars but in politic we are lack of educated people.

As jamyangla said we tibetans should bykott the olympic game since our sisters and brother are undergoin an unhuman torturne for speaking freelly about their disire and basic human rite. international chines people will unterstand that with enough and clear information since Olympic game should express the human brotherhood and globalisassion.
But i dont think so that that we should demand rangtzen since tibet will gain more in a more free and greater china. independence is not realistic and also not useful.
So we shoul do what ever to prove china that kuduen and we tibetans are not seeking independence but a real authomony like in honkonng has or buthan has.
To prove that i think h.h.the dalai lama and tibetan exil goverment should be ready to give a letter in writing at present of international wittness.
I dont understand why jamyang la always put the boykott of olympic game and fight for a free tibet together…..since thise are really two different things.

]]> By: cheme dorjee http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-1305 cheme dorjee Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:36:16 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-1305 This is for Mr. Sharma . Obviously you are well informed about tibet and tibetans and we appreciate your interest. However your assumption that khampas will be angry if we berate gyari rinpoche is totally unfounded. to the contrary most khampas dont trust him at all.. although he may have certain skills like lobbying in washington(whatever that might bring us!!!) and is from a famous family. Khampas are like all other people and dont like being led around in circles..However sir, its nice to know people like you showing interest. Its unfortunate that most Indians are very laid back with regard to the Tibetan issue This is for Mr. Sharma . Obviously you are well informed about tibet and tibetans and we appreciate your interest. However your assumption that khampas will be angry if we berate gyari rinpoche is totally unfounded. to the contrary most khampas dont trust him at all.. although he may have certain skills like lobbying in washington(whatever that might bring us!!!) and is from a famous family. Khampas are like all other people and dont like being led around in circles..However sir, its nice to know people like you showing interest. Its unfortunate that most Indians are very laid back with regard to the Tibetan issue

]]> By: Karma http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-1058 Karma Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:28:56 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-1058 I was not -in fact I have been brought up fighting to such system. But there may be still continuety which is good. Goodthings must be continued. Without continuity there can'nt be a nation worth mentioning. Be it British German or French in the lines. The things you have mentioned have been already reformed without a revolution or struggle. In fact essential powers has been properly transfered to all the democratic institutions through proper processes and procedures. But you may still like to argue that are defects in the present system which should agreable to anyone. There is no perfect system in that sense any where else in the world. Today if you like you as an individual can hold a the offices powers in a minimum time limit and execute them as per your responsibilities. I was not -in fact I have been brought up fighting to such system. But there may be still continuety which is good. Goodthings must be continued. Without continuity there can’nt be a nation worth mentioning. Be it British German or French in the lines. The things you have mentioned have been already reformed without a revolution or struggle. In fact essential powers has been properly transfered to all the democratic institutions through proper processes and procedures. But you may still like to argue that are defects in the present system which should agreable to anyone. There is no perfect system in that sense any where else in the world. Today if you like you as an individual can hold a the offices powers in a minimum time limit and execute them as per your responsibilities.

]]> By: Tingm o http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-1057 Tingm o Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:13:25 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-1057 KARMA are you referring corrupted aristocratic system and corrupted religious system evolved through a few centuries.Or feudalisms. If you stop to reform, it will lead to revolution. KARMA
are you referring corrupted aristocratic system and corrupted religious system evolved through a few centuries.Or feudalisms. If you stop to reform, it will lead to revolution.

]]> By: Karma http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-987 Karma Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:11:59 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-987 Jamyang la -with all due respect for your personal achievement in a foreign literary world- I must say -most of your opinions are tasteless and cheap -more aprropriately un Tibetan like. It may be all due to your socialisation and values. Your opinions sounds more of outburst of a personal frustration than anything that an ordinary Tibetan like me to take note of. You must have worked for over three decades but you failed miserably due to your own accord than anything else. Because you and your allies have attempted to change the system on your terms (western-style)without understanding that Tibetan systems have evolved through a few centuries. Jamyang la -with all due respect for your personal achievement in a foreign literary world- I must say -most of your opinions are tasteless and cheap -more aprropriately un Tibetan like. It may be all due to your socialisation and values. Your opinions sounds more of outburst of a personal frustration than anything that an ordinary Tibetan like me to take note of. You must have worked for over three decades but you failed miserably due to your own accord than anything else. Because you and your allies have attempted to change the system on your terms (western-style)without understanding that Tibetan systems have evolved through a few centuries.

]]> By: Karma http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-980 Karma Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:30:41 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-980 I would like to invite more substantial comments or dialogue on how should we go forward. If must let us see what CTA has done so far. I believe only a few wish to analyse what kind of strategy CTA has persued so far and where it went wrong. It is not true that the entire processes and stratgy along with its necesary short term and longer goals had failed. Accroding to my readings of press releases the each meeting had different agenda and different purpose whether each of those purpose was acheived or not is different matter. There is a through consultation processes both at national and international level supporting the envoys. Their role is only to present them as the mood and situation of the each meeting. I beleive each of those meeting has raised or drain down the aspiration of Tibetans higher or lower. But it is certain that Tibetans within Tibet have noticed them and reacted to the things accordingly. Fro me, the recent events bear a plenty of impacts of Middlepath (MP) policies which was only regoruosly persued by Samdong. If some of the universal slogans were to be treated seriuosly, the MP has for the first time visibly united Tibet and gave Tibetans living under variuos provinces of China a conscience being one Tibetan. We must now try raise it further to the next level which would give the movement a political face and force. Right now it is still in an early stage. I would like to invite more substantial comments or dialogue on how should we go forward. If must let us see what CTA has done so far. I believe only a few wish to analyse what kind of strategy CTA has persued so far and where it went wrong. It is not true that the entire processes and stratgy along with its necesary short term and longer goals had failed. Accroding to my readings of press releases the each meeting had different agenda and different purpose whether each of those purpose was acheived or not is different matter. There is a through consultation processes both at national and international level supporting the envoys. Their role is only to present them as the mood and situation of the each meeting. I beleive each of those meeting has raised or drain down the aspiration of Tibetans higher or lower. But it is certain that Tibetans within Tibet have noticed them and reacted to the things accordingly. Fro me, the recent events bear a plenty of impacts of Middlepath (MP) policies which was only regoruosly persued by Samdong. If some of the universal slogans were to be treated seriuosly, the MP has for the first time visibly united Tibet and gave Tibetans living under variuos provinces of China a conscience being one Tibetan. We must now try raise it further to the next level which would give the movement a political face and force. Right now it is still in an early stage.

]]> By: Karma http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-979 Karma Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:20:32 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-979 I would like to invite more substantial comments or dialogue on how should we go forward. If must let us see what CTA has done so far. I believe only a few wish to analyse what kind of strategy CTA has persued so far and where it went wrong. It is not true that the entire processes and stratgy along with its necesary short term and longer goals. The recent events bear plenty of impacts of Middlepath (MP) policies. If some of the universal slogans were to be treated seriuosly, the MP has for the first time visibly united Tibet and gave Tibetans living under variuos provinces of China a conscience being one Tibetan. We must now try raise it further to the next level which would give the movement a political face and force. Right now it is still in an early stage. I would like to invite more substantial comments or dialogue on how should we go forward. If must let us see what CTA has done so far. I believe only a few wish to analyse what kind of strategy CTA has persued so far and where it went wrong. It is not true that the entire processes and stratgy along with its necesary short term and longer goals. The recent events bear plenty of impacts of Middlepath (MP) policies. If some of the universal slogans were to be treated seriuosly, the MP has for the first time visibly united Tibet and gave Tibetans living under variuos provinces of China a conscience being one Tibetan. We must now try raise it further to the next level which would give the movement a political face and force. Right now it is still in an early stage.

]]> By: TSERING THARCHIN http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-743 TSERING THARCHIN Tue, 27 May 2008 20:55:36 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-743 Jamyang la I have been wanting to ask you some questions, but Mr, Sharma patel beat me to it, so i will just repeat his questions, since you haven't answered it. To my knowledge you have articulated prior the only way to free Tibet is with violence and by making Tibet inhospitable to Chinese populations. 1) Has your position changed? 2) you engaged the Chinese in the support of the central intelligence agency in quite distant past. Do you expect some measurable support from the same in the forthcoming efforts? ???????? Thanks in advance, Tsering Tharchin, p.s, Mr Sharma Patel, sorry to copy your words, but thats what was on my mind too. Jamyang la
I have been wanting to ask you some questions, but Mr, Sharma patel beat me to it, so i will just repeat his questions, since you haven’t answered it.

To my knowledge you have articulated prior the only way to free Tibet is with violence and by making Tibet inhospitable to Chinese populations.

1) Has your position changed?

2) you engaged the Chinese in the support of the central intelligence agency in quite distant past. Do you expect some measurable support from the same in the forthcoming efforts?

????????

Thanks in advance,
Tsering Tharchin,
p.s, Mr Sharma Patel, sorry to copy your words, but thats what was on my mind too.

]]> By: sharma patel http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/08/negotiation-nightmare/#comment-728 sharma patel Sun, 25 May 2008 17:28:58 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=23#comment-728 Thanks for your thoughts Tseten Choedon. My feeling is I am Brahmin by birth and untouchable by heart due to deep sympathy for Tibetans people who becoming untouchable status in own country. Now I am wishing you have maximumization of devotion to Holy Dalai Lama and you must be learning more your culture is my suggestion and then you will being to appreciate commentary from mine own. I must be learning your thinking more to appreciating your own side commentary. If we become more serious religion practtioner we will be knowing preciousness mind for each distinct lineage. When we become the refinement mind of culture preserving we will be knowing the preciousness mind of each choeklha. Maybe we all asian people are influencing by excess of western thought. It sounds to me. As far as stone age I will happily go back to time of your Tibetan king Songsten Gampo, or happily going back to time of your Guru Padmasambhava or even far back to Tonpa Shenrab when the life was so sweet (its okay to laugh now). You remind me this and thanks for that. If I can go back to stone ago gloriousness i am very happy. I don't need airplane and car and microwave machine. I need the people of the pure compassion mind for all beings. And I know all the bad side history too like when Gelug attacked Nyingma and monks wars and death penalty only stopping by 13th Dalai Lama and so forth but still I am thinking the old life was sweeter in Tibet than the new life. You and me have this differing opinions but we agree in the critical portioning, which is we must take every avenue for beneficialing the people inside Tibet. So sister I will join you arm in arm and work for people inside Tibet who are knowing the infinite sufferings of Communist cruel and devils actions. Thanks for your thoughts Tseten Choedon. My feeling is I am Brahmin by birth and untouchable by heart due to deep sympathy for Tibetans people who becoming untouchable status in own country. Now I am wishing you have maximumization of devotion to Holy Dalai Lama and you must be learning more your culture is my suggestion and then you will being to appreciate commentary from mine own. I must be learning your thinking more to appreciating your own side commentary.

If we become more serious religion practtioner we will be knowing preciousness mind for each distinct lineage. When we become the refinement mind of culture preserving we will be knowing the preciousness mind of each choeklha. Maybe we all asian people are influencing by excess of western thought. It sounds to me. As far as stone age I will happily go back to time of your Tibetan king Songsten Gampo, or happily going back to time of your Guru Padmasambhava or even far back to Tonpa Shenrab when the life was so sweet (its okay to laugh now). You remind me this and thanks for that. If I can go back to stone ago gloriousness i am very happy. I don’t need airplane and car and microwave machine. I need the people of the pure compassion mind for all beings. And I know all the bad side history too like when Gelug attacked Nyingma and monks wars and death penalty only stopping by 13th Dalai Lama and so forth but still I am thinking the old life was sweeter in Tibet than the new life. You and me have this differing opinions but we agree in the critical portioning, which is we must take every avenue for beneficialing the people inside Tibet. So sister I will join you arm in arm and work for people inside Tibet who are knowing the infinite sufferings of Communist cruel and devils actions.

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