Comments on: KARMAPA AND THE CRANES http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/ Jamyang Norbu's blog Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:19:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Rich http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-1177 Rich Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:21:26 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-1177 Tingmo, I'm sorry if I misjudged you, but it seems we're both guilty of the same thing. Maybe we could try to understand one another a bit better. Could you clarify what you meant by your abrupt comments to Ngawang about people in Tibet using Chinese? To me it sounded like ridicule and disrespect for the people of Tibet, but I guess I was too quick to judge. As for the courageous monks you're referring to, both the group at the Tsuklakhang and the group at Labrang spoke Tibetan until they realized that the reporters could understand Chinese but not Tibetan. Then some of them switched to speaking Chinese for the sake of getting their desperate message out. This hardly sounds like using Chinese by choice, but rather as a result of the journalists being linguistically unqualified for reporting in Tibet. If you'd like to see for yourself, watch this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qEWFy7u8Skc And regarding me, if you read some of my other posts on JN's blog I think you'll see that I'm not a very big fan of the TGIE. I've spent about 3 months in Tibet which is nowhere near enough, but it means I'm not completely ignorant either. After being there, baseless stereotypes about people in/from Tibet are a lot more of a hot-button issue for me, so that's probably why I snapped at you. I hope this response helps make amends. Tingmo, I’m sorry if I misjudged you, but it seems we’re both guilty of the same thing. Maybe we could try to understand one another a bit better.

Could you clarify what you meant by your abrupt comments to Ngawang about people in Tibet using Chinese? To me it sounded like ridicule and disrespect for the people of Tibet, but I guess I was too quick to judge.

As for the courageous monks you’re referring to, both the group at the Tsuklakhang and the group at Labrang spoke Tibetan until they realized that the reporters could understand Chinese but not Tibetan. Then some of them switched to speaking Chinese for the sake of getting their desperate message out. This hardly sounds like using Chinese by choice, but rather as a result of the journalists being linguistically unqualified for reporting in Tibet.

If you’d like to see for yourself, watch this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qEWFy7u8Skc

And regarding me, if you read some of my other posts on JN’s blog I think you’ll see that I’m not a very big fan of the TGIE. I’ve spent about 3 months in Tibet which is nowhere near enough, but it means I’m not completely ignorant either. After being there, baseless stereotypes about people in/from Tibet are a lot more of a hot-button issue for me, so that’s probably why I snapped at you.

I hope this response helps make amends.

]]> By: Tingm o http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-1056 Tingm o Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:08:41 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-1056 hay please control your emotion. I am here to discuss not to fight. RICH I thought you are a highly educated person, but obviously I was wrong. I was born and grown up in Tibet and my parents are still in Tibet. If my words and my voice made me an idiot, then I have nothing to say. BTW, I can tell you never been to Tibet. You are totally brain wash by Tibetan Government. Make no mistakes, I am against Chinese Government like you, but I can differentiate Propaganda from REALITY. if you don't beleive me, go to Tibet and take a look at yourself. Didn't you see on TV. Those courageous monks protested and spoke in CHinese??? hay please control your emotion. I am here to discuss not to fight.

RICH I thought you are a highly educated person, but obviously I was wrong.

I was born and grown up in Tibet and my parents are still in Tibet. If my words and my voice made me an idiot, then I have nothing to say.

BTW, I can tell you never been to Tibet. You are totally brain wash by Tibetan Government. Make no mistakes, I am against Chinese Government like you, but I can differentiate Propaganda from REALITY. if you don’t beleive me, go to Tibet and take a look at yourself. Didn’t you see on TV. Those courageous monks protested and spoke in CHinese???

]]> By: Rich http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-1029 Rich Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:54:30 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-1029 Tingmo, idiots like you who ridicule the people of Tibet are the scum of exile society and TSGs. Frankly you have no idea what you're talking about. Have the events of the past three months made no impression on you at all? Do you actually know people in Tibet or from Tibet? Or are they just "dirty sanjor"?? If you think so little of them, why even bother with the cause of a Free Tibet? Go get fat and rich in the West and make yourself happy and stop detracting from the work of our valiant freedom fighters who continue to sacrifice everything to keep their country alive. Bod gyal lo!! Tingmo, idiots like you who ridicule the people of Tibet are the scum of exile society and TSGs. Frankly you have no idea what you’re talking about. Have the events of the past three months made no impression on you at all? Do you actually know people in Tibet or from Tibet? Or are they just “dirty sanjor”?? If you think so little of them, why even bother with the cause of a Free Tibet? Go get fat and rich in the West and make yourself happy and stop detracting from the work of our valiant freedom fighters who continue to sacrifice everything to keep their country alive.

Bod gyal lo!!

]]> By: Tingm o http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-1017 Tingm o Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:24:38 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-1017 NAWANG You were wrong. Inside Tibet, Tibetans are talking CHinese and writing Chinese. Wake up from you dream. SAMTEN giving another dimension and ACCUSING SOMEONE are totally different things. You might have learned that from Dharamsala that ACCUSIng people and distorting information is giving another dimension. NAWANG
You were wrong. Inside Tibet, Tibetans are talking CHinese and writing Chinese. Wake up from you dream.

SAMTEN
giving another dimension and ACCUSING SOMEONE are totally different things. You might have learned that from Dharamsala that ACCUSIng people and distorting information is giving another dimension.

]]> By: Nawang http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-1010 Nawang Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:45:31 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-1010 I have a sense that we are the only ones who are doing somethig for our Tibetan civilization. Remember the majority of our Tibetan People are living in our historical land, fighting for the same cause as we are......We have a lot to learn from the way our Brothers and Sisters inside Tibet Fight... Watch this... www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbN2j99l0Pc&feature=related Inside Tibet. Tibetans are talking in Tibetan, Writing in Tibetan, and Fighting in Tibetan. What does that mean to us??????? I have a sense that we are the only ones who are doing somethig for our Tibetan civilization.
Remember the majority of our Tibetan People are living in our historical land, fighting for the same cause as we are……We have a lot to learn from the way our Brothers and Sisters inside Tibet Fight…
Watch this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbN2j99l0Pc&feature=related

Inside Tibet. Tibetans are talking in Tibetan, Writing in Tibetan, and Fighting in Tibetan.
What does that mean to us???????

]]> By: Samten http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-995 Samten Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:41:16 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-995 Tingm o I am not only accusing but giving another dimension to the way we think. Whether I am criticising or attacking, it should not make so much of difference to others and their way of life. Afterall, Jamyang lak has put forward this blog for others to discuss and express their feelings. I will continue with my stance keeping in mind the realities of life and their harsh way of beckoning you once in a lifetime. By the way, feel free to use your good name. There is nothing much to hide. "People are smart enough to see the truth. Nobody can fool nobody anymore." Tingm o

I am not only accusing but giving another dimension to the way we think. Whether I am criticising or attacking, it should not make so much of difference to others and their way of life. Afterall, Jamyang lak has put forward this blog for others to discuss and express their feelings.

I will continue with my stance keeping in mind the realities of life and their harsh way of beckoning you once in a lifetime.

By the way, feel free to use your good name. There is nothing much to hide. “People are smart enough to see the truth. Nobody can fool nobody anymore.”

]]> By: Tingm o http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-952 Tingm o Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:55:48 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-952 Samten Stop accusing people just because he posted his opinion. Those old tactic to destroy people from Dharamsala had been obsolete. People are smart enough to see the truth. Nobody can fool nobody anymore. Samten
Stop accusing people just because he posted his opinion. Those old tactic to destroy people from Dharamsala had been obsolete. People are smart enough to see the truth. Nobody can fool nobody anymore.

]]> By: TSEDON LHAJEYTSANG http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-949 TSEDON LHAJEYTSANG Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:03:34 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-949 I have always enjoyed reading Jamyang Norbu's thought-provoking articles. I'm also a big fan of Somerset Muagham, and I see no difference between the two. I have always enjoyed reading Jamyang Norbu’s thought-provoking articles. I’m also a big fan of Somerset Muagham, and I see no difference between the two.

]]> By: Amdo Tsering http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-939 Amdo Tsering Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:56:57 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-939 Great article, i am very agree your opinion; thank you so much Jamyang la.... Great article, i am very agree your opinion; thank you so much Jamyang la….

]]> By: Samten http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/05/27/karmapa-and-the-cranes/#comment-937 Samten Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:38:26 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=45#comment-937 Tsering, I can sense something, whether right or wrong, when the writers like Jamyang Norbu, through their tireless research on Tibet have got the ability to make constructive suggestions rather than going completely against it. But what about your opinions. You are nothing more than a chinese to me because you are always against the TGIE and giving more importance to the spirit worshippers, feigning innocence on more than one occassion. What a selfish nature you have got! Tsering,

I can sense something, whether right or wrong, when the writers like Jamyang Norbu, through their tireless research on Tibet have got the ability to make constructive suggestions rather than going completely against it.

But what about your opinions. You are nothing more than a chinese to me because you are always against the TGIE and giving more importance to the spirit worshippers, feigning innocence on more than one occassion. What a selfish nature you have got!

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