<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: THE LONG MARCH HOME</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/</link>
	<description>Jamyang Norbu's blog</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: Dava</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1686</link>
		<dc:creator>Dava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1686</guid>
		<description>Dear Religion is Poison,

Wrong.  If you knew anything about Tibetan culture Chö and Bön, you would know that the afflictive emotions - nyomong -  are what poisons our lives more than anything else.  Of course they can get mixed up with religion, which is perhaps the most potent kind of poison.  But Buddhism hardly recommends this, exactly the contrary.  But perhaps by religion you are thinking of Christianity or something?  Imho, and offered only as such.

Politics is opium for the upper crust.

Dava</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Religion is Poison,</p>
<p>Wrong.  If you knew anything about Tibetan culture Chö and Bön, you would know that the afflictive emotions - nyomong -  are what poisons our lives more than anything else.  Of course they can get mixed up with religion, which is perhaps the most potent kind of poison.  But Buddhism hardly recommends this, exactly the contrary.  But perhaps by religion you are thinking of Christianity or something?  Imho, and offered only as such.</p>
<p>Politics is opium for the upper crust.</p>
<p>Dava</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chopathar</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1425</link>
		<dc:creator>Chopathar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1425</guid>
		<description>Envoy Lodi Gyaltsen Gyari ,Kelsang Gyaltsen,Sonam N.Dagpo, Bhuchung K. Tsering,  Sino-Tibetan Negotiations.

Do:1=play sea-saw=0
Re:2=play sea-saw=0
Mi:3=play sea-saw=0
Fa:4=play sea-saw=0
So:5=play sea-saw=0
La:6=play sea-saw=0
Shi:7=play sea-saw=0

Chopathar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Envoy Lodi Gyaltsen Gyari ,Kelsang Gyaltsen,Sonam N.Dagpo, Bhuchung K. Tsering,  Sino-Tibetan Negotiations.</p>
<p>Do:1=play sea-saw=0<br />
Re:2=play sea-saw=0<br />
Mi:3=play sea-saw=0<br />
Fa:4=play sea-saw=0<br />
So:5=play sea-saw=0<br />
La:6=play sea-saw=0<br />
Shi:7=play sea-saw=0</p>
<p>Chopathar</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: religion is poison</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>religion is poison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1410</guid>
		<description>Chopathar

Don’t hold your breath on some “commitment” from either US Congress or EU Parliament, politicians always play both sides.  Elected officials want big business contract from China to benefit their constituents but at the same time they want to look good on issues like Tibet, human right or whatever, from time to time they will cosponsor some bill targeting China proposed by their hard line colleagues, why not? It’s a free ride, free camouflage.  A recent example is Diane Feistein, usually labeled as a pro-China US senator, cosponsored a bill to demand setting up a US consulate in Lhasa, there is no chance China will accept it but this bill can help her to look strong.  Would China be offended by her?  Of course not, Chinese government understands it.  It takes two people to play sea-saw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chopathar</p>
<p>Don’t hold your breath on some “commitment” from either US Congress or EU Parliament, politicians always play both sides.  Elected officials want big business contract from China to benefit their constituents but at the same time they want to look good on issues like Tibet, human right or whatever, from time to time they will cosponsor some bill targeting China proposed by their hard line colleagues, why not? It’s a free ride, free camouflage.  A recent example is Diane Feistein, usually labeled as a pro-China US senator, cosponsored a bill to demand setting up a US consulate in Lhasa, there is no chance China will accept it but this bill can help her to look strong.  Would China be offended by her?  Of course not, Chinese government understands it.  It takes two people to play sea-saw.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jeff Bowe</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1403</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1403</guid>
		<description>Indeed such 'commitments ' must be rigorously tested to ensure that the Tibetan people are not being served political platitudes. Both the US Congress and EU Parliament should be pressed to respond. 

That said we must consider the political objectives and limitations of those Tibetans  who enaged at that level of debate. Unfortunately one cannot imagine such prominent TGIE representatives demanding Congress to now acknowledge Tibetan independence. 

If anything Lodi Gyari and his team are engaged in an active effort to surrender entirely Tibetan nationhood.

That being the case any pressure upon the US or Europe to honour previous assurances on Tibet's independence must come from the wider community of Tibetans and their supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed such &#8216;commitments &#8216; must be rigorously tested to ensure that the Tibetan people are not being served political platitudes. Both the US Congress and EU Parliament should be pressed to respond. </p>
<p>That said we must consider the political objectives and limitations of those Tibetans  who enaged at that level of debate. Unfortunately one cannot imagine such prominent TGIE representatives demanding Congress to now acknowledge Tibetan independence. </p>
<p>If anything Lodi Gyari and his team are engaged in an active effort to surrender entirely Tibetan nationhood.</p>
<p>That being the case any pressure upon the US or Europe to honour previous assurances on Tibet&#8217;s independence must come from the wider community of Tibetans and their supporters.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chopathar</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>Chopathar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1399</guid>
		<description>Forty US Congress members signed a document three years ago stating that if the Chinese Government refuses to solve the Tibet issue in three years, the USA must admit Tibet as an independent Nation under the Tibetan government. After that, European Congress members signed a similar document too.

We have to follow through with it.

Best wishes.

Chopathar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forty US Congress members signed a document three years ago stating that if the Chinese Government refuses to solve the Tibet issue in three years, the USA must admit Tibet as an independent Nation under the Tibetan government. After that, European Congress members signed a similar document too.</p>
<p>We have to follow through with it.</p>
<p>Best wishes.</p>
<p>Chopathar</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jeff Bowe</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1362</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1362</guid>
		<description>Rich, perhaps 'Bangle' is uneducated in the history and dynamics of struggles for national liberation? Otherwise he would be aware that the people of Ireland conducted a war of resistance for over 800 years to regain their independence. 

That continues to this day, albeit minus the armed conflict, and will continue until all Eíre is free and united.

Keep the Rangzen fires burning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, perhaps &#8216;Bangle&#8217; is uneducated in the history and dynamics of struggles for national liberation? Otherwise he would be aware that the people of Ireland conducted a war of resistance for over 800 years to regain their independence. </p>
<p>That continues to this day, albeit minus the armed conflict, and will continue until all Eíre is free and united.</p>
<p>Keep the Rangzen fires burning.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1356</guid>
		<description>Bangle, nothing in China is remotely sustainable. It's a near thermodynamic impossibility for China's 1.3 billion people to have the standard of living their elite have, much less the sort Americans and Europeans have, without aggressive and likely violent expansionism. The resources simply do not exist, and the way China is using them at present, they'll be living in deserts and toxic wastelands in 20 years. China has nothing of value except its population (which is valuable mostly because China considers its people expendable and is willing to use them as a threat to its neighbors), and the rest of the world's value on human life that prevents us from taking action that would lead to massive Chinese deaths.

Something has to give in the next few decades. There's no easy out. This is not only China's problem but a world problem; however, China's policy of brainwashing (with mixed success) 1/5 of the world's population has made it astronomically worse by making it virtually impossible to reason with them in regards to creating a sustainable world where human rights and dignity are respected.

So yes, I think China will collapse, or else we'll be swarmed by red-flag toting thugs like the ones who attacked Tibetans and supporters around the world during the torch relay. Given the choice, I'm much more willing to sacrifice China than the world of free information flow where we have some hope of one day honoring every human being's rights and dignity. And I hope world leaders will make that decision too, if it comes down to it. There's still also hope that China can change direction before it's too late, but I'm not holding my breath. If China lasts 500 years then humanity is doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bangle, nothing in China is remotely sustainable. It&#8217;s a near thermodynamic impossibility for China&#8217;s 1.3 billion people to have the standard of living their elite have, much less the sort Americans and Europeans have, without aggressive and likely violent expansionism. The resources simply do not exist, and the way China is using them at present, they&#8217;ll be living in deserts and toxic wastelands in 20 years. China has nothing of value except its population (which is valuable mostly because China considers its people expendable and is willing to use them as a threat to its neighbors), and the rest of the world&#8217;s value on human life that prevents us from taking action that would lead to massive Chinese deaths.</p>
<p>Something has to give in the next few decades. There&#8217;s no easy out. This is not only China&#8217;s problem but a world problem; however, China&#8217;s policy of brainwashing (with mixed success) 1/5 of the world&#8217;s population has made it astronomically worse by making it virtually impossible to reason with them in regards to creating a sustainable world where human rights and dignity are respected.</p>
<p>So yes, I think China will collapse, or else we&#8217;ll be swarmed by red-flag toting thugs like the ones who attacked Tibetans and supporters around the world during the torch relay. Given the choice, I&#8217;m much more willing to sacrifice China than the world of free information flow where we have some hope of one day honoring every human being&#8217;s rights and dignity. And I hope world leaders will make that decision too, if it comes down to it. There&#8217;s still also hope that China can change direction before it&#8217;s too late, but I&#8217;m not holding my breath. If China lasts 500 years then humanity is doomed.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bangle</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>Bangle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1350</guid>
		<description>Rich,

Alright, I presume you are going to wait another 500 years before the next crash for the current Chinese empire.   Or it may not even crash at all as there is no longer any more invaders like Mongolians, or Manchurians.   You want to wait for years to come... go ahead... by then you need to guess what is going to happen to Tibet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich,</p>
<p>Alright, I presume you are going to wait another 500 years before the next crash for the current Chinese empire.   Or it may not even crash at all as there is no longer any more invaders like Mongolians, or Manchurians.   You want to wait for years to come&#8230; go ahead&#8230; by then you need to guess what is going to happen to Tibet.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1340</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1340</guid>
		<description>Bangle, if you don't have anything useful to say, don't waste people's time posting. Empires fall and when the time comes Tibet will be ready. Go laugh to yourself and we'll see who's still laughing when the value of all your investments in that wretched country crashes to $0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bangle, if you don&#8217;t have anything useful to say, don&#8217;t waste people&#8217;s time posting. Empires fall and when the time comes Tibet will be ready. Go laugh to yourself and we&#8217;ll see who&#8217;s still laughing when the value of all your investments in that wretched country crashes to $0.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bangle</title>
		<link>http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/06/16/the-long-march-home/#comment-1337</link>
		<dc:creator>Bangle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=49#comment-1337</guid>
		<description>I love to hear the 'courage' and 'bravery' shown by those who wrote here.  Big words but no solid direction.  If all of you think you can banish the Chinese from China (or Tibet), that you are just making yourself a laughing stock.   For reality sake, we need to work and cooperate closely with the Chinese to achieve a better solution to the problem.   Otherwise, you can all dream on....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love to hear the &#8216;courage&#8217; and &#8216;bravery&#8217; shown by those who wrote here.  Big words but no solid direction.  If all of you think you can banish the Chinese from China (or Tibet), that you are just making yourself a laughing stock.   For reality sake, we need to work and cooperate closely with the Chinese to achieve a better solution to the problem.   Otherwise, you can all dream on&#8230;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
