Comments on: BLACK ANNALS: Goldstein & The Negation Of Tibetan History (Part I) http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/ Jamyang Norbu's blog Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:20:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: ཁ་བརྡ། | དེབ་ཐེར་ནག་པོ།-གྷོལ་ཌི་སི་ཐེན་དང་བོད་ཀྱི་རྒྱལ་རབས་མེད་པར་བཟོ་བ། ཆ་དང་པོ། http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1886 ཁ་བརྡ། | དེབ་ཐེར་ནག་པོ།-གྷོལ་ཌི་སི་ཐེན་དང་བོད་ཀྱི་རྒྱལ་རབས་མེད་པར་བཟོ་བ། ཆ་དང་པོ། Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:54:01 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1886 [...] http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-p... • [...] [...] http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-p... • [...]

]]> By: tsenpo http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1762 tsenpo Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:57:50 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1762 G_hater, Is JN a son of Lama? Is JN propounding Lamaist philosophy? If not, you are a hypocrite. You pretends to be a Tibetan, in fact, you are trying to split Tibetans what JN is writing and talking. I think you are either someone who is related to Goldstein's wife or another Chinese who is in Tibetan clothing, I am smelling it now. You deserved to be banned! Tsenpo G_hater,
Is JN a son of Lama? Is JN propounding Lamaist philosophy? If not, you are a hypocrite. You pretends to be a Tibetan, in fact, you are trying to split Tibetans what JN is writing and talking. I think you are either someone who is related to Goldstein’s wife or another Chinese who is in Tibetan clothing, I am smelling it now.

You deserved to be banned!

Tsenpo

]]> By: Hugh http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1760 Hugh Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:04:47 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1760 Carl Cimini, Nice of you to clear that up. Unfortunately, you can't replace a very real specific desire expressed by a people, Tibetans, with some bland universal notion which obscures the line between perpetrators and victims. I am speaking specifically about your notion of the solution being to "look at humanity." How about keeping your mind focused on the specifics of the topic? Namely, Tibetan aspirations to regain their freedom. If we want to look for a solution, we should talk specifically about how lies about Tibetans are now being peddled to everyone to justify China's colonialism. Can you do this here? I sense you may be sliding toward that over-arching (yet very dim and unoriginal) vapid assessment of the issues, which many people in post-Modern societies have fallen prey to. The idea that all of this is simply "man's inhumanity to man." This sounds like a good notion, however it is insidious in that it essentializes any specifically soluble problems into some abstract entity that one can neither criticize nor deconstruct. In short, and to be my more usual blunt self, such an idea is absurd BS. Now, if my assessment of your comment is wrong, then do respond and correct me. -Hugh Carl Cimini,

Nice of you to clear that up. Unfortunately, you can’t replace a very real specific desire expressed by a people, Tibetans, with some bland universal notion which obscures the line between perpetrators and victims. I am speaking specifically about your notion of the solution being to “look at humanity.”

How about keeping your mind focused on the specifics of the topic? Namely, Tibetan aspirations to regain their freedom. If we want to look for a solution, we should talk specifically about how lies about Tibetans are now being peddled to everyone to justify China’s colonialism. Can you do this here?

I sense you may be sliding toward that over-arching (yet very dim and unoriginal) vapid assessment of the issues, which many people in post-Modern societies have fallen prey to. The idea that all of this is simply “man’s inhumanity to man.” This sounds like a good notion, however it is insidious in that it essentializes any specifically soluble problems into some abstract entity that one can neither criticize nor deconstruct. In short, and to be my more usual blunt self, such an idea is absurd BS.

Now, if my assessment of your comment is wrong, then do respond and correct me.

-Hugh

]]> By: Jeff Bowe http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1752 Jeff Bowe Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:08:00 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1752 Carl Cimini I wonder if you can inform this forum if your film gives full and rightful prominence to the subject of independence for Tibet, which after all is the common political aspiration of Tibetans. If not, why? Carl Cimini

I wonder if you can inform this forum if your film gives full and rightful prominence to the subject of independence for Tibet, which after all is the common political aspiration of Tibetans. If not, why?

]]> By: Carl Cimini http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1747 Carl Cimini Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:32:17 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1747 As for Dr. Goldstein, his historic account given in MY documentary is valid. If you get a chance to view it you will see how propaganda is the problem. To wrap one’s mind around the concepts of totalitarian Chinese policy takes a huge effort. It is so important to understand your enemy completely. The film has both sides of the story. It exposes history, and the brutality of the Chinese Government. If you want a solution look at humanity. Samdong Rinpoche points out in MY doc how all humanity is being lost as it relates to Tibetan Buddhism and culture and is a perfect example of how we have all failed. As for the name Wobblimind Media, The slogan is a calm mind is a creative mind. History may or may not be able to help, but open discussion going forward is the answer, in my humble opinion. If the bow is too tight it will break. if its too loose it won't shoot. As for Dr. Goldstein, his historic account given in MY documentary is valid. If you get a chance to view it you will see how propaganda is the problem. To wrap one’s mind around the concepts of totalitarian Chinese policy takes a huge effort. It is so important to understand your enemy completely. The film has both sides of the story. It exposes history, and the brutality of the Chinese Government. If you want a solution look at humanity. Samdong Rinpoche points out in MY doc how all humanity is being lost as it relates to Tibetan Buddhism and culture and is a perfect example of how we have all failed. As for the name Wobblimind Media, The slogan is a calm mind is a creative mind. History may or may not be able to help, but open discussion going forward is the answer, in my humble opinion. If the bow is too tight it will break. if its too loose it won’t shoot.

]]> By: Jeff Bowe http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1746 Jeff Bowe Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:45:28 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1746 Rich Those with agendas forged in the crucible of deception have no difficulty is peddling such untruths, However those of us fortunate enough to have known Jamyang for any length of time will be able to see through the propaganda and calumny. Rich

Those with agendas forged in the crucible of deception have no difficulty is peddling such untruths, However those of us fortunate enough to have known Jamyang for any length of time will be able to see through the propaganda and calumny.

]]> By: Jeff Bowe http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1740 Jeff Bowe Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:03:29 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1740 Rich Spot-on Rich

Spot-on

]]> By: Rich http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1738 Rich Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:08:55 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1738 One can tell the absurdity of the ad hominem attacks has reached an entirely new level when JN is accused of being a "Lamaist". I seem to remember it used to be "atheist" or "heretic" or similar. What will it be next time? Communist? Terrorist? *sigh* Let's grow up and discuss the actual issues. A good place to start would be using an honest name rather than identifying yourself as a "hater". One can tell the absurdity of the ad hominem attacks has reached an entirely new level when JN is accused of being a “Lamaist”. I seem to remember it used to be “atheist” or “heretic” or similar. What will it be next time? Communist? Terrorist? *sigh* Let’s grow up and discuss the actual issues. A good place to start would be using an honest name rather than identifying yourself as a “hater”.

]]> By: Jeff Bowe http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1728 Jeff Bowe Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:08:17 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1728 Gyalo Hater I am sure you have some interesting, and possibly valid points to present, however your ad hominem assault upon Jamyang's motivation and integrity simply betrays an inability to address the issues under discussion. Gyalo Hater

I am sure you have some interesting, and possibly valid points to present, however your ad hominem assault upon Jamyang’s motivation and integrity simply betrays an inability to address the issues under discussion.

]]> By: tsering topgyal http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/19/black-annals-goldstein-the-negation-of-tibetan-history-part-i-tris/#comment-1720 tsering topgyal Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:04:53 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=100#comment-1720 I have read Jamyang Norbu's work for the last 15 years and have not always agreed with his views. Never did I question JN's motives beside the obvious that here was a Tibetan deeply passionate about our cause and was willing to put his thought's for all to see.......regardless of the consequences(unlike most of us) and many-a-times paid the price with blood. gyalo_hater : JAMYANG NORBU does not deserve your cowardly attack. You can disagree with his views but stop with the attack on his integrity. I have read Jamyang Norbu’s work for the last 15 years and have not always agreed with his views.

Never did I question JN’s motives beside the obvious that here was a Tibetan deeply passionate about our cause and was willing to put his thought’s for all to see…….regardless of the consequences(unlike most of us) and many-a-times paid the price with blood.

gyalo_hater : JAMYANG NORBU does not deserve your cowardly attack.
You can disagree with his views but stop with the attack on his integrity.

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