Comments on: Searching for Old Tibet https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/ Jamyang Norbu's blog Thu, 09 Nov 2023 13:46:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.25 By: fflambeau https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-29331 Tue, 02 Jun 2015 04:54:45 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-29331 I enjoyed the article especially the first part dealing with James Hilton and the location of Shangri-La. He is unquestionably right about that lamisary being located, at least in the book and in Hilton’s mind, in Tibet. As he has shown, there are numerous references in the book to Tibet.

But I suspect that there was no specific location and it was a literary invention of Hilton’s. That is why he himself is so vague as to location. And it adds to the mystery, doesn’t it?

And as regards the second part of this essay, that too can be explained by the text of the book: [The storm] will rage till every flower of culture is trampled”… Perhaps what the author of this fine article is attesting to in the second part of his article is little more than what Hilton had foreseen. Or in Hilton’s words, “all the loveliest things were transient and perishable”

Often, prescient authors like Hilton (and George Orwell is another) have a greater insight into the future happenings of mankind than just about anyone.

Thanks again for the essay.

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By: r4 https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-4701 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:31:06 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-4701 It’s really good blog. I know more information about Tibetan. You are providing their meaning its really good. All are member. Thanks for all member, who are giving most useful information.

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By: Yangdul D https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-4554 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:27:19 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-4554 Newgeneration B,

Before you decide to say anything, try to get your facts right. To set your record straight, Surkhang daughter was never married to Goldstein, she was married to Trigyel Lakartsang. She and family do not live in Ohio. Incidentally, watch your language or you are a disgrace to your GENERATION!

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By: Jeff Bowe https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-4195 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:47:51 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-4195 Dare we mention that strictly seaking this kingdom was not actually Tibetan at all?

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By: wazayak https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-4194 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:15:10 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-4194 The proper name of the ancient western Tibetan principality in question is Xhangxhung, and not Shangshung. This we know from the story of Thumi Sambhota coming up with the 21st letter of the Tibetan alphabet, Xha. “where do you come from?” “I come from Xhangxhung”, so the story goes and the letter ‘Xha’ was added to the alphabet.Modern Tibetan transliteration practice render this letter as Zha, but I think Xha is closer to the sound. Sha is the 27th letter and does not figure when writing this name in Tibetan.
P.S.
Yang S. Toki
You are no Yangtso Kyid!(Happy melodious Ocean)

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By: Tsongi https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-4150 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:28:17 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-4150 To understand the true political history of Tibet, I urge everyone to read the eminent Tibetan historian Tsepon Wangchuk Deden Shakabpa’s two-volume, hard cover book, titled ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND MOONS – AN ADVANCED POLITICAL HISTORY OF TIBET, to be released by BRILL Publications in September 2009.

To view and pre-order the book, click on the Publisher’s link below:

http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=33945

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By: Jeff Bowe https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-4100 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:48:32 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-4100 Some may consider imposing ‘mickey mouse’, chinese marxism or christian myths upon the Tibetan people as constituting imperialistic aggression.

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By: Barbara Minton https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-4099 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:52:04 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-4099 Stumbled on your posting by way of Twitter,of all things.I always thought that Shangrila was in the heart of Tibet.Was shocked when a friend of mine said he and family were returning to China again this year.I asked where and he said to Yunnan, flying into Kunming and then on to Shangrila. I was shocked to say the least since I know it by the proper names.Seems like some sort of Sino-Disney version of Tibet,The powers that be will not be happy until everyone speaks Mandarin and Han Chinese is the only way to be. Sort of a 1984 kind of thing. My friends purpose is to bring in Bibles and tracts and proselityze.Following the blog “In the Footsteps of Joseph Rock” I see that this is a rather Christian area.The Chinese seem to be hell bent on rewriting their version of history;but as far as the average American is concerned Shangri-la is in the heart of Tibet and Mickey and Minnie live at Disney World.

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By: Religion is Poison https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-3973 Wed, 27 May 2009 18:51:11 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-3973 Hugh,

One of the Korean ancestral predecessors did originate from the area of modern day’s northeast China (Liaoning and Jilin) and northwest corner of Korean peninsular, their border with China and other non-Han nomads were constantly changes as a result of rise and fall of dominant powers. The current border with China (narrowly defined here as Han Chinese) was established in the 7th century, the border was later invaded by Khitan, Mongolian when Han Chinese lose control of that area, the border was reestablished in the 14th century and last until today. Han Chinese immigration to Northeast was banned by Manchurian in early Qing Dynasty until they realize they need people to populate the area to counter Russian incursion, ironically Manchurian sealed their own fate when they OK the migration of Han Chinese, there are now only a few dozen fluent Manchurian language speakers all in their 80s and the spoken language will disappear before the end of next decade. Two million ethnic Koreans (Chinese citizen) still live there mostly in Jilin, an area sometimes described as the third Korea, unlike Manchurian language Korean is still a language widely used by ethnic Korean today.

I am not so optimistic about stop practicing “pseudo-speciation” by human being, Europeans maybe the most conscious about saving minority’s culture and language but the overall trend of losing language and culture worldwide will continue along with the pace of globalization. As sad as it may sounds I think the day when people will treat “others” as your kin is the day when we are either “blood brothers” (through inter-racial inter-ethnic marriage) or “sworn brothers” (religious or cultural assimilation).

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By: Hugh https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2009/04/22/searching-for-old-tibet/#comment-3965 Wed, 27 May 2009 00:27:02 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=594#comment-3965 Religion is Poison,

I was under the understanding that vast areas north of present day “North” Korea, were still Korean in ethnicity until recently. The PRC cannot be blamed wholesale for what happened there, much like what happened to Manchuria. Those processes were started and encouraged by the Qing/Manchu imperial government itself, as far as I know. But the PRC can be blamed for not stopping it, seeing as they claimed the be communists and communists were at one time supposed to be above the nationalism game.

I think it sad that humans continue to practice what scientists call “pseudo-speciation,” which basically means we continue to think of “other human groupings” as non-human or subhuman. This may have been an adaptive advantage when we were all hunter gatherers and out-groups couldn’t be trusted like in-groups or kin groups. But as the agricultural revolution transformed our species, this sort of thinking became stripped of any evolutionary need for self preservation, and is now merely the tired and dangerously malicious thoughts of those who haven’t accepted that the human world has changed from our ancestral times.

A word in English demonstrates the new human cultural paradigm which arose after the agricultural revolution in societies across the globe: “kind”

Being kind meant originally to treat “others” as your kin. I believe wise people throughout human cultures sought to change or tame the earlier thinking and replace it with something better. We have yet to do so.

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