Comments on: Deconstructing Ngabo (In 1980) https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/ Jamyang Norbu's blog Thu, 09 Nov 2023 13:46:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.25 By: Zatrug https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-9340 Fri, 09 Sep 2011 21:25:12 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-9340 Think there were big deferences between ngapo and phuwang cause ngapo was traitor as well as betrays to the country because while he was the charge of the Lhasa govert. Surrender to chinese as if he did save so many lives of fellow Tibetans thats what I saw is just freaking excuses. In other way, what saw is that the main Course of defeat we faced. However, phuwang was just ordinary people like us and having nothing special responsibility except he was Tibetan, he fought for the basic human rights for his fellow tibetans and he was revolutionary, he understood the world while our kudaks were slept and he wants change the Tibet and liberty from some dictators ( kudark & sadhag) that’s what learned from maxist so he is deserve to be patriot and courageous revolutionary …

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By: Mila Rangzen https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-5489 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:32:49 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-5489 tibetan leaders’ hope ruins tibetan people

china ruined by suspicion? i don’t know.
sun, moon and stars are the witness to the rise of china on earth since 1947.
some casualities are part of life.

baba ruined by faith in ccp thugs

ngobo ruined by fear and rationalization

TGIE will be next if secular bi-party democracy fails to materialize soon

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By: samdup https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-5488 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:55:25 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-5488 We cannot disagree about the cleverness of Late Ngabo. At the same time, he was not a brave man at all. Though I strongly support the Middle way approach envisaged by H.H the Dalai Lama, I don’t really understand why did Kashag issued such statement about late Ngabo. I am still wondering whether that statement was politically beneficial to our long term struggle of freedom. It might be a kind of signal/appeasement made to the current high ranking Tibetan officials in the PRC who are usually believed to be one of the main obstacles in the dialogue. Hold a sec! It is my own opinion.

Most of my friends are still not ready to believe every sentence written in the Baba’s biography. I would prefer to add one line to our famous saying:
Tibet is ruined by hope,
China is ruined by suspicion,
and Baba is ruined by ideology.
And who will be the next?

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By: konchok aka https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-5457 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:52:05 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-5457 Ngabo is not worth discussing..

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By: konchok aka https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-5456 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:50:15 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-5456 Dear Jamyang Norbu,

I really admire your writings, but I don’t fully agree with your example regarding “Gunthang Tsultrim” I agree with you that it was very disrespectful of them(Tsultrim followers & 13 settlement) to charge Kashag like that but what led to this? and why did the 13 group settlement form ?
What is the story behind, the whole picture ? I really appreciate if you will do more research on this, or else for decency’s sake, is better left unmentioned.

Regards

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By: gyalpot https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-5434 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:27:25 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-5434 Even though Ngabo, Phuntsok and others of their ilk are dead it is important to remember their monstrous crimes against Tibet and Tibetans Just as we also must remember our Heroes. The fact of the matter is that we take issues like this too lightly and therefore get ourselves in a fix. It has always been a habit of the ruling class in Tibet to ask for assistance from our enemies whenever there was internal strife. Classically, China was one of the most favored enemies to ask from support. And evidently this has emboldened and added to China’s claims on sovereign Tibet soil. It is un-Buddhist, but forgetting the past and being too casual and hopeful China will relent in the future does not bode well for a free and independent Tibet. If all was to be left to fate and Karma then what is our purpose anyway in fighting this uneven war?

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By: Choni Tsultrim Gyatso NJ https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-5432 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:24:59 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-5432 Who cares what Baba Phuntso and Ngabo little action for Tibet after they were expired in China’s hands.

It’s too late to do anything after expired.

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By: kup https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-5403 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:23:14 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-5403 Jamyang la,
You are inspiration to all of us.
I don’t thing Ngabo, baba phuntsok or any other collebrator, who later speaks for tibet or tibetan are pratoit, they spoked because they didn’t got enough dues after betraying his nation. such doesn’t belong to any comunity.

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By: Tsering Choedon Lejotsang https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-5371 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:11:02 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-5371 The blog below has a very interesting opinion about DECONSTRUCTING NGABO (IN 1980).

http://mountainphoenixovertibet.blogspot.com/

TCL

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By: Tenpa Dhargyal Gapshi https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/#comment-5361 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:42:35 +0000 http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/?p=925#comment-5361 Sometimes, a visual moment tells a situation so clearly, that a thousand pages would not. I remember a particular scene described in ‘Buddha’s Warriors’ by Mikel Dunham and went through my bookshelf and found the passage which I thought was very telling. It was right before the dramatic showdown on March 17th and tens of thousands of tibetans have formed a human chain around Norbulinka to protect H.H, interestingly described by the author as the day when the common people took the power in their own hands. One tibetan collaborator got stoned, torn to bits and mutilated beyond recognition (even the ragyaba wouldn’t touch them because he was a chinese collaborator). Plala and Kashag went over to the chinese encampment (where Kundun was requested to attend a theatrical performance and the whole misunderstanding between Tibetans and Chinese) to placate General Tan from taking drastic actions.

“According to Noel Barber, ‘Ten Chinese officers – but not General Tan – were sitting on one side of the long table, talking and drinking tea. And there was an eleventh man sitting on the Chinese side of the table – none other than the saturnine Ngabo. This was astonishing, for invariably at these conferences the opponents were arranged on opposite sides of the green table, but now Ngabo made no attempt to join the Tibetans…Though it had been Ngabo’s task to act as a go-between at the Chinese headquarters,this was the final insult. Presumably Ngabo thought the time for keeping up pretence had passed.’ For nearly ten minutes the Tibetan cabinet ministers were left standing. Not once did the Chinese look up to acknowledge the minister’s presence. Finally, just as the conference seemed to be breaking up, General Tan strode into the room. If the Tibetans has any hopes their discussion might be amicable, those hopes were dashed by the look on General Tan’s face. He glared at the Tibetans, as if daring them to provide an adequate explanation for the insulting absence of the Dalai Lama'”

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